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>> people that can't read well, we tend to build a great sense of listening. we also tend to build a great sense of being able to deal and cope with failure. >> this is not something you would wish on anybody else? >> no, i would not. >> reporter: gladwell is fascinated with people who achieve success by forging their own path, perhaps because that's what he's done. he's a staff writer for "the new yorker" magazine, but he doesn't actually have an office. he writes in small cafes in new york and does most of his research in a library where he hunts out academic papers and minds them for intere...

David felt emboldened to try something outside the box. that's a pattern you see again and again with underdogs that because they can't do the thing they are required to do, they look for alternate routes. >> reporter: he wrote about the successful strategies of underdogs after meeting this man. what interested gladwell wasn't software but how he coached his 12-year-old daughter's basketball team, seen here in white, even though he knew nothing about the game. growing up in india, did you play basketball? >> i never touched a basketball in my life. >> reporter: never touched one? >> never touc...

>> david felt that it was too much for lueene. >> she started complaining about the cleanup. >> well, it never was that way before, because she did not have to do all the cleaning up. everybody else pitched in. but he used that as a guise for it being too much for lueene because he did not want these people there. >> looking back, jaime says he should have seen what was happening. he was losing his wife. >> that's what i call master of manipulation. >> he's a master of manipulation. he's like a chess player. someone like a bobby fischer who is always thinking ten moves ahead. >> but back then ...

Properties while david remained at the ranch with the wife lueene and the couple's grandchildren. >> it was a very gradual thing that things began to change. because he became more in control and jaime was kind of just being less. >> pushed out, is that the way you saw it? >> and my husband and i, we were both aware of it. we talked about it between us. we didn't talk to jaime and lueene or anybody else. but we talked about it. this was something happening that we felt very sad to see happening. >> they even got to the point where they packed up a lot of the things, the things that he liked fr...

People. and he -- that was just built if his dna from start to finish. >> as you know in his later years, broder was often derided as a defender of the washington establishment and out of touch. and people say he couldn't see the fact that politics was broken. >> he -- i don't think all that criticism was unfair. at the same time he liked politicians and so i don't think he really thought the system was broken. >> he liked politicianings and respected the good politicians and did not respect the bad politicians. i think what david's view was that dash the role of the journalist -- particularly...