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>> all right. thank you. back to our panel. also joining us, amanda carpenter. amanda, welcome to the conversation. does congressman nunes, david, need to step down? >> i think so. listen, i have no doubt he's been a man of strong character and the people in his district like him. >> yeah. >> more than once you and i have seen people in washington get drawn into a white house web. they called him. he didn't call them. they called him from the white house and asked him to come see these doments. i think hi got in over his head. i feel badly for him. but investigation is so compromised by the ho...

Used to describe chairman nunes, straight shooter, man of integrity, a person who won't stand down. to david's point, people can be dragged into a white house web. is that what's happening to chairman nunes? >> i think chairman nunes is finding out what happens in the enormity and the bright lights ofn investigation like this. good for chairman nunes for going home and talking to his constituents. i think too many members are probably going to run for the hills. i'm glad at least he's trying to get to the bottom of this. where congressman schiff, who famously complained about the leaks that we...

Or colluding with him or giving himself in limb information that backed up the president's tweet and not giving it to anyone else, how big of a sfwloob? >> it is politically interesting but it's nowhere near the problem tha the russians can do in our next election by pitting malware into our voting machines and so forth over the course of the next period of time before the next election. there's a real danger here. 25%, approximately, of our voting machines in the united states do t not have paper backups, so if the electronics have been tampered with, you will never know, and you can't do a r...

Would want to prosecute him for it? >> you don't often hear criminal against attorneys say my client has a story to tell unless that attorney is looking for immunity for his client and he does have a story, a story that will implicate somebody else. now, who the somebody else is, of course, we won't know until he testifies. so that's an important statement. but there's another thing that could happen here, elin, we have to pay attention to. which is how will the president and white house act? will they assert privileges saying conversations with protected by executive privilege? and we could w...

It's the statements that were made and by whom they were made. you know, vice president pence when he was vice president-elect, went on television to defend it. do we have that found clip? all right. i don't think we have that. i mean, went on cbs, essentially -- oh, wait. here we go. >> what i can confirm, having spoken to him about it, is that those conversations that happened to occur around the time that the united states took action to expel diplomats had nothing whatsoever to do with those sanctions. >> now both "the post" and "the times" are reporting flat out, david, that they did disc...