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Outsider, but one of the easiest ways to do that is to ostracize him along the lines of race. >> before i go to doug on this, because i want him to give us the more historical perspective, what do you think of, david, of what james just said? >> i must say i sharply disagree. i think it's unfair when people take issue with the president from the right to suddenly see a racist hiding within the suit. it was only a few years ago that there was a column written about franklin roosevelt. well since the '60s, just a couple of years ago, written about franklin roosevelt calling him a rads cal in the...

Rad -- >> no no, no. with all due respect, i have much respect for you sir. i'm saying the term radical itself has been racialized over time. not that newt gingrich has done it. >> but why would you bring it up with with regard to newt gingrich? if you were not suggesting that that's what you were doing? >> because i think within the context of our critique of obama, race is always on the back burner. and the attempt to get the republican party to cohere around certain issues, race has been used. maybe not explicitly, but certainly implicitly. i think when people think about radicals, the imag...

Some company. with me to talk about it is presidential historian doug brinkley, senior cnn political analyst david gergin. david, let me go back to newt gingrich for a second. he didn't just call barack obama radical, he called him the most radical president in american history. what did you make of that? >> listen, newt gingrich is a very good debater. he knows how to make his points. and what is he doing here, campbell? he is trying to throw up as many charges as he can against barack obama and see what sticks. this charge of being radical out of the mainstream is an attempt by the right to ...

A short time ago i got on the fwoen a guy who veas this on health care and said he is nervous that this maneuver if it goes forward will add all of that and as top democrats said, he thinks will president will get a deal because of the way he put it was, the alternative is disastrous. the democrats and the president have invefed so much, they have no other strategy fwou get it done. that's not a positive way to pass the bill. >> senior political analyst david gergin weighed in on this and painting democrats anything but a profile on courage. why is it so bad? >> anderson, to be fair it's still...

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