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Keeping confidential, high-level diplomatic conversations. the nixon decision from 1974 when the court said yes, executive privilege exists but no, it doesn't apply to this position. what they did say in 1974, it's intended to protect military secrets, national security secrets. there may be a creative argument that trump could make that we need to expand executive privilege to cover this kind of conversation. >> as we bring in david gergin who many of you know at home has worked in four white houses. thank you, david. i'm so glad you can be part of the conversation tonight with this extraordi...

Him. he just said that with the justice department. it's all about loyalty, it's all about him, it's all about protecting him. that's what you heard from senator rounds. that's what you heard from people on the hill this week, saying that he is the president. what do you want us to do? you could launch investigations. you could do this. you could do that. we are ahead of a midterm. they want to talk about the economy. they want to talk about taxes. right now, all they're doing is spending their time talking about president trump. and that in a lot -- particularly talking about house congressio...

Yet again, the president of the united states is ripping into his own attorney general jeff sessions, saying he gave sessions the job based on loyalty, solely loyalty. apparently, instead of qualification. listen to the president. >> he took the job and then he said, i'm going to recuse myself. i said, what kind of a man is this? by the way, he was on the campaign. you know, the only reason i gave him the job because i felt loyalty. he was an original supporter. he was on the campaign. >> all right, david gergin is with me and jackie kasinich. there's so much to parse through from this intervi...

Of all of these scandals unfolding. now we bring us to the midterms. if they lose the house, if they lose seats, sure, the president will blame it on other things. he will be a very large presence of that. that will be a real live consequence. we will have to see if that happens. if not, you will see a very emboldened president, if the republicans keep control. >> david? >> i think that's absolutely right. i come back to this, republicans, by tieing themselves as tightly as they have to donald trump, are going to face more and more problems unless they change course. from my point of view -- i...

Cohen was honest. now that he seems to have incriminating information about donald trump, he is willing to share with the special counsel, donald trump's camp is saying that he lacks all credibility. >> mj lee, thank you for walking us through that. let's talk about it. with me now is shan wu. also david gergin and david drucker. mj laid out the reporting. sources tell cnn that michael cohen doesn't have tape recordings of this, doesn't have audio to back it up. we know from jim sciutto's reporting that when cohen testified behind closed doors in front of the house intelligence committee, he...