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Country say they've been in the dark about thousands of immigrants being sent to their communities from texas. what's to be done about all of this? david good to see you and we're going to get right to it. governor perry says for four years kn years now he's been asked for 100,000 national guard troops to ward off the impending crisis. he says the first thing you have to do is stop the bleeding, restore the border. >> part of what governor per is saying is that now so many federal agents have been diverted to the immigration crisis. but this puts the president in a little bit of a bind because...

The next couple of months that will end up helping us to achieve some real progress. >> david, shouldn't we be clear about one thing? this is one person's decision. john boehner's decision. if he brings up a vote to raise the debt ceiling it will pass. if they doesn't bring up a vote we're going to have this potential calamity. shouldn't we be clear that this entire matter is in john boehner's hands? >> it's not, david. >> i don't agree with that. >> why? >> first i think there's a failure on three parties. i think the president has failed to lead. absolutely failed to lead. he's the only pers...

Has such poor financial management systems that it doesn't have adequate transparency to be able to prioritize other payables if you will. but there's absolutely no reason that the united states cannot pay all of its debt obligations on time. but if you don't have enough cash to be able to pay all of your payables, you've got to set priorities. we shouldn't be in that position. and we should be extending -- we should be having the c.r. and extending the debt ceiling for two to three months and entering good faith negotiations to be able to decide on funding for fiscal '14 and set a target to r...

I don't know what they talked about privately. you can tell that they like each other. >> nbc news campaign, jamie novgrad. nice to talk to you. he's a business and real estate mogul. what makes him qualified to moderate a presidential debate and what's on the donald's agenda. david good friend is a former clinton white house staffer and michael steele is an msnbc analyst and former chairman of the republican national committee. gentlemen, nice to see you this morning. michael start with you. karl rove said this morning that the rnc chair should step in. tell the candidates not to take part ...

Look at his statements, david. >> i'll see the proof. but look, donald trump is a master self-promoter. the don king of politics without the hair or a different kind of hair. the guy is out there to promote his own image. newt gingrich is similarly very adept at press manipulation. we're not talking about the fact that he broke up with his wife on her cancer deathbed. not the fact that newt gingrich owes money on the tiffany bill of half a million or whatever it was. we're not talking about the ugly facts in his past because r because newt gingrich has come out with outrageous ideas rolling ba...