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The government will have eye code pchld. >> very interesting. matthew chance, good to see you. thank you very much for that. here now to discuss all of these developments in the whistleblower scandal is david rhode. he is a cnn zoeglobal analyst. david, nice to have you here. >> thank you. >> do you think it's likely that the transcript of this phone call, meaning the one in the u.s., is going to be released, or do you think the white house will pretty much keep a lid on this? >> i think the white house will probably try to keep a lid on this. congress should receive that con script. we have...

Methods may be different. >> al qaeda is in many ways shadow of its former self. off chutes, i agree it is symbolic, significant that we get hamza bin laden, but you just can't count out the entire group or off chutes. this should be a reminder that groups like al qaeda are still powerful, looking for ways to damage our interests and interest of allies and partners. i think it is very important that the president remembers if he wants to and should take credit for killing hamza bin laden, he remembers al qaeda and taliban still have a relationship, taliban haven't denounced al qaeda. i agree i...

>> a couple of things go into this, fred. one, you want to be sure that you did in fact kill the person you think you did, and you're going to usually wait awhile to string all the bits of intelligence you can get, and all of the different strands to make sure you got the target you think you've had. we made the mistake in the past of announcing certain terrorist killed here or there, finding out later maybe they were grievously injured and survived. number two, you want to extrapolate all the intelligence through conduct and execution of the operation so you can disrupt future attacks or ongo...

We continue to follow breaking news in the war on terror. president trump confirming the death of hamza bin laden in a u.s. counterterrorism operation. he is the son of osama bin laden and was seen as an emerging leader of the terror group, al qaeda. the president releasing a statement today that said bin laden had been killed in a united states counterterrorism operation in the afghanistan pakistan region. with me now, retired rear admiral john kirby, former spokesperson for the state department and pentagon, also cnn military and diplomatic analyst, also with me, david rhode, executive edito...

Does this counterintelligence operation have on al qaeda? >> i think it has a large impact. there was concerns i think around the intelligence community that he could emerge as a new charismatic leader like his father. we're not sure of his exact birthdate, he was in his late 20s. there were reports that hamza bin laden married the daughter of atta, one of the pilots that crashed into the world trade center. so i think this is a significant victory for the u.s. intelligence community. my guess is a drone strike. there might have been signal intelligence came through to confirm his death. >> an...