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Quote, loved and can sleep well tonight. you have people in high places, right, or friends in high places. how do you interpret this? >> i think it's very hard to know what to make of this, at least based on what i've read. i think this calls out for more investigation. i mean it seems pretty ambiguous and maybe ambiguous on purpose so that you wouldn't be having this discussion about whether there was actually a pardon dangled or not. perhaps there was a pardon dangled but it was fairly indirectly through intermediaries talking to rudy giuliani. we don't have evidence yet that giuliani actual...

President always seeming to influence or involve himself in the investigation, an investigation that concerns him? again, if it is true. >> well, if it's true, don, it comes back to three simple little words -- obstruction of justice. i mean this is pretty clear-cut. there is no way in heck that the president should be discussing an ongoing case, especially one in which he is involved with the acting attorney general. and, remember, the conniptions that republicans had earlier on when bill clinton was on a tarmac and happened to run into loretta lynch, who was then the attorney general under p...

Mr. whitaker did not deny that the president called him to discuss the michael cohen case and personnel decisions in the southern district. >> now, that may have been a bit more bobbing and weaving by whitaker, who seems to be an expert. he did not deny, did not say no when he was pressed about whether the president called him to discuss cohen's case. but here's what he said publicly in the hearing room. here it is. >> did you communicate to donald trump or any senior white house advisers about investigations from the southern district of new york concerning the trump organization, the trump i...

Impeach impeached. this certainly looks like obstruction of justice if in fact this report is accurate. >> that would make sense in like a world that deals with reality right now, but i mean, max -- >> yeah, nothing seems to matter anymore. unfortunately nancy pelosi reading the political tea leaves is basically saying there's little chance they're actually going to impeach him. so how is he going to be held to account if in fact he did obstruct justice? >> doug collins says there's no evidence that whitaker discussed the michael cohen case with the president. but if the president did, in fact...

Ruh-roh. i'm about to tell you. >> i know you are. you love the drama. >> come on. >> i hate the dynamic. i hate it. it makes me uncomfortable. >> i know. >> it makes my hair move. >> it's news, though. >> it is. >> i got to get to 2. >> i'll be watching. >> you get after it. i'll get to it. see you tomorrow. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. it's not what matt whitaker said today. it's what he didn't say that is making news. the former acting attorney general meeting behind closed doors with top members of the house judiciary committee. a meeting to clarify whitaker's public testimony las...