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There will be broader discussions. even beyond that. broader discussions of all european nations that are a member of the osce. that's where these discussions about european security should take place. also, any kind of de-confliction of military activity. >> thanks, sir. >> thank you, trace. >> what the white house and other public officials have planned for the future of covid as they're left with many of the same problems that they had at the beginning of the year next. ♪ limu emu... & doug ♪ ♪ superpowers from a spider bite? i could use some help showing the world how liberty mutual ...

Keir. josh, i want to talk to you about a couple of things. first of all, the white house working to establish a communications back channel with the russian military. and this is still happening as nato is deploying its response force for the first time in history. what can you tell us about that? >> yeah, lindsey, let's start with that back channel. here's what this is not. it is not an attempt by the white house to have secret or back channel negotiations with russia about ukraine. this is a process called de-confliction. and it is very standard and critical part of a military conflict. in ...

Hopefully there won't be a need for that kind of communication. you get to a good point, which is the potential if he decides to go in big in ukraine, that puts russian military forces right up against the eastern flank of nato, his western flank. that is an eastern flank that we'll continue to reinforce and make more ready. so you get into a potential there for miscalculation and miscommunication. we're not there to speak to specific did confliction mechanisms and hopefully there's not a need for that. but it does raise a larger issue, your question does, a potential for miscalculation here. ...

Putting up a stiff and determined resistance, and they have made it difficult for the russians to continue to move ahead. we believe, based on what we know of what their plans were, they are behind schedule and they have faced a stiffer resistance than they anticipated. >> do you have any information on efforts of conflicktion, or have there been close calls where there would be a need for a tactical deconfliction. have been there calls from the white house to establish that? >> i would say there's no de-confliction in place right now. certainly we understand the importance of deconfliction.

Both sides indicate they want to avoid escalation, but history is full of "errors and accidents degenerating into something wider," one expert said.