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End up with a high profile outcome. how does that affect our ability to appreciate the sacrifices if we're not allowed to know about that? >> we'll probably never know the names of the folks on that operation. delta, deaf group, the s.e.a.l.s, these folks are almost superhuman. i've seen them operate and train. it's like nothing else. their dedication, their entire life built for that moment where they might have that shot at bin laden is like nothing else. you can't compare it. olympic athletes, professional athletes nothing like the prowess and professionalism of these elite groups. we'll pr...

Harness that and become stronger as a country. >> i wonder what you think about -- we're sort of seeing -- a lot of talk about j sock in the news about joint special op ration command. it's been been around since 1980. it's not a new thing. it is newly imempowered for a secret branch of the military. there seems to be a total integration operationally between cia, paramilitary forces and j.s.o.c. we have a fifth branch of the military and we don't find out about the missions unless they end up with a high profile outcome. how does that affect our ability to appreciate the sacrifices if we're n...