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Making the call. put yourself in their shoes. how would you make the cut-off? >> you don't. you cannot make the cut-off in the first debate. given that the margin or difference between the person at the bottom and the person at the top, can arguably be somewhere between seven, eight points depending on the poll. you want to device a system at least the first shot out of the box to be a part of the conversation. this is something we try to do when we change the rules back in the 2012 race to allow more candidates that didn't have the cash to still be able to play the i think the opportunity is ...

Given that the margin or difference between the person at the bottom and the person at the top, can arguably be somewhere between seven, eight points depending on the poll. you want to device a system, at least the first shot out of the box to be a part of the conversation. this is something we try to do when we change the rules back in the 2012 race to allow more candidates that didn't have the cash to still be able to play the i think the opportunity is maybe look at restructuring outside of the traditional debate format and debate style where you get 30 second force this and 20 seconds rebu...

>> angela -- >> sorry. angela i don't talk to you like that. please don't talk to me like that. that's not polite. >> you're giving a monologue. >> you were too and i didn't interrupt you. my only point is i think to have all these candidates even the debate format alone going to have two tiers, having that many people on a stage is going to be a challenge. >> rich angela thank you both very much for a spirited debate. i'm sure we'll have many more. >> thank you. >> thank you. speaking of possible presidential candidates ohio governor john kasich is joining chris wallace tomorrow on fox news...

You increase the level of acontina accountabili accountability. we can't have a 23 debate circus. >> why would they allow that? >> you want to have 23 -- does anyone want to have 23 debates? >> no. >> that's not a establishment take over. this is using your brain. it's taking control over a process that's out of control. >> you know what else? there are setup questions. i like a debate format where you let people talk and expand on ideas and discuss and better ideas come out. >> we need moderators. >> i want the country to be safe from this -- >> thank you. appreciate it. phil robertson will...

Level of accountability. we have to be a party that's good on the ground and gets their act together on data. >> why would the republicans ever give chris matthews a debate? come on. >> people say, you want to have 23 -- nobody hear wants 23 debates in front of chris matthews. that's not an establishment t e takeover. this is using your brain. >> i like a debate format where you actually let people talk and expand on ideas and discuss among each other and sometimes better ideas come out of that discussion. >> and moderators that care about our party too. >> thank you. appreciate it. coming u...