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Eliminating those as viewers and that's what you want to do, isn't it, you want to not limit your base but expand your base. >> absolutely, greg. at the same time we don't want to commit political malpractice and say networks that tip the scales in elections should be rewa rewarded by being actively involved who we choose as our party's nominee. this was the first step reclaiming the debate process, deciding who the moderators and networks and number of debates will be. we will let the networks know if they want to be actively engaged in helping one particular candidate on the other side we wi...

Idea. what's your specific problem with the films? >> well, you know, i just think that groups like nbc and cnn that are in the business of news ought to take into consideration the fact that if you want to actually moderate and produce a debate that chooses a nominee for president on the republican side of the aisle, that it would be reasonable to have the chairman of the party say hang on a second. you ought not be doing feature films or documentaries and mini series about what we know to be a very likely candidate that is running on the democratic side of the aisle. look, cnn and nbc can do...

>> thrills up his leg when he sees obama. we saw a number debates, we had over 20 debates that were frankly cringe inducing and in many republicans' minds, including my own, very hurtful for the party. i think it's it's important for the rnc to get control of this debate process so we're not having one every week and they end up being hurtful to a particular candidate in the process. this still has the added bonus of having the support for the base. but i do think it's important for the rnc and i'm going to urge my friends to let's see the product. i also think it's important for cnn to put do...

Said he will veto it. it's obviously not going to go anywhere in the senate. what they're hoping for, presumably, is for the debate about this bill, particularly by their side, to be so edifying that it will spark the kind of discussion and understanding in the country that's worth it despite the fact that this is wasted legislative time. >> absolutely. and, you know, and the point was made consistently by democrats throughout the debate process who would ask for parliamentary points and ask to introduce, you know, to discuss, to debate things that actually matter like the student loan debacle...

All of abortion. >> obviously the republicans in the houses know that this bill they passed today in their side of capitol hill is not going to go anywhere. the president has explicitly said he will veto it. it's obviously not going to go anywhere in the senate. what they're hoping for, presumably, is for the debate about this bill, particularly by their side, to be so edifying that it will spark the kind of discussion and understanding in the country that's worth it despite the fact that this is wasted legislative time. >> absolutely. and, you know, and the point was made consistently by demo...