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Nonpartisan commission and run by people in both parties. joining me now msnbc reporter. what does this mean, really? >> it appears to be the end of presidential debates as we've known them. there may still be debates between the republican and democratic presidential nominees in 2024, but they won't look like what we're familiar with. as you said, the commission has run these debates since 1988. there's three debates every election cycle. they're moderated by a well-known tv news anchor, and sometimes one of our colleagues, and the format has become pretty familiar and formalized by now. that...

His nickname for her. you're great to give us all the details. happy news. thank you so much, matt bradley, from london. jaime harrison, head of the dnc is next. his take on joe manchin and what he makes of a new "vanity fair" report saying republicans may blow up the presidential debate process. y blow up the presidential debate process. ecial needs, who also needed him. as part of our love promise, subaru and our retailers host adoption events and have donated 28 million dollars to support local animal shelters. we're proud to have helped over 230,000 pets so far... changing the lives of d...

A poll or four or whatever it is to qualify them for the debate. and that to me is the issue. overall, i think it's fine to have the qualifications. you've got to be make progress gresz during this thing. >> and i want a thought on a slightly different aspect of the debate process and the diversity that is lacking there. i don't know if you saw snl last night, but miaya rue dodolph sig on a martini do you miss me? a lot of supporters are like yeah, we do miss you. do you get a sense harris got out way too early? >> she got out because from my understanding she didn't believe she would be able ...

Argueded that those four men had the mo direct contact. >> i haven't seen a single good argument about why they witnesses shouldn't testify, would they documents be produced, unless the president has something to high and his supporter want that information hidden. the president and house republicans have resisted letting all the facts come out. the president handle offered a single exculpatory bit of evidence that refutes what's in the house impeachment charges. they have not refuted them. impeachment moves forward again tomorrow in the house as the rules committee needs to set the paramete...

Committee asking them to relax the rules about letting candidates on the stage. i wanted a more diverse group of people. >> having a more inclusive debate is a positive thing. >> we are asking the dnc to be more thoughtful about these thresholds to allow for more robust conversation. >> to say that they are somehow leaving people of color off the stage is not only wrong, but insulting. it's insulting as women of color. someone who was involved in the debate process. >> bret: just to put up the people who didn't qualify for the debate, there is something missing from that. that's african-americ...