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Giving graeme credit so he has been an important vos. as been hampered with the way the debate structure has worked in this early phase where he has always been in the under card event when i first interviewed pim, sort of buddy hour, calling it the happy hour debate hoping the viewers would watch that as a warmup to the big debate. very frustrating to graham himself to not be a voice in the larger debate, especially when he their have been issues he believes because of the issue of a donald trump figure who does not have the foreign policy experience that graham has. we will talk about having...

He's saying his lane of the party collapsing but at least in part, wolf, he also blames the new debate structure, the two tiered system, he blames that in part. listen here. >> well, my campaign, i'm going to suspend my campaign. i'm not going to suspend my desire to help the country. i'll probably go back to iraq and afghanistan and get another update. 36 trips informed me. one thing i feel really good about is i did it with a smile on my face and talked about things that are important to me and somebody better fix one day. >> why are you goetting out of the race? >> i hit a wall here. my cam...

Still sound like you're running. because he still wants to push his message. >> but he really has had trouble. he talked about it there. my regret is i didn't get on the big stage. is there one particular thing that made him want to get out of the >> he definitely blames the debate structure of the undercard debate. but he simply said he didn't see a path. e with hear that from when candidates drop out. he looked at the calendar. after what was reviewed for performance in our cnn debate he saw no bump out of that. >> people think this undercard debate is going to be boring. >> he's known for h...

See some rule changes here that will be, i think, enure to the great benefits of viewers, voters and candidates themselves. they will also learn who is participating in debate one and debate two which is always where those candidates a -- bill: campaigns are holding their breath on that too. i mean we know from experience when you're on the line, man. 7:00 eastern is going to have a lot of drama tonight. >> we've got drama. you know what else? they will not hold their breath long after they hear the rules and here who is where in the debate structure. bill: we'll be watching, okay? terrific, l...

I noticed ben carson, for example, doesn't want it on a network, he wants it online. >> i think at -- that's why they're going to be -- that's why they had a meeting on sunday night. when you saw the real narrative in these articles, they said, we need to get together first on our own so we can determine what it is that we can agree on. >> and you -- the debate structure from those who have forgotten from 2008 to '12 have changed a lot already. reduced dramatically the number of debates. >> we wanted to do a few things which was not have a 23 debate calendar no one could predict. now down to 9...