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It gives them gangrene. >> we're going to stop this interview, there's going to be several other interviews we conduct with you. >> the debriefing process means severing all ties with the gang member's affiliation. >> i'm a drug habit. whatever i have to do to support my drug habit. >> the sentence i'm on right now, three strike case. i'm doing life for a $20 bag of meth. it was like i had to establish myself in order to survive basically, and one aspect of doing that was to associate myself with a gang, a prison gang. a strong prison gang, which was the aryan brotherhood, it's something you d...

And after sitting there rotting by myself, it finally popped in my head that, third, but unthinkable, you know, come this way as far as do the debriefing process. go out on program. >> and you feel comfortable with that decision? >> it's funny, i honestly i honestly believed that because the decision itself tore me up, it was tearing me up, and the few days that it was actually in my head and as i was writing the kite to the floor officer, it was tearing me up. i've been in some straight wars. i've been hit. i've been shot. i've been ran over, crowbarred. and i've done the exact same damage. a...

I told her, be strong, and you'll get through this. it's a learning experience. i am being strong and trying to make the best out of the situation. she shot me a little glossy, i cuddle with it at night. no, i'm just kidding. once an inmate is validated as a gang member in corcoran, they have a choice, stay in the gang or drop out and debrief. our officers were allowed to follow officer garcia into the debrief process. >> there's one building set

Sincere you are in debriefing and wanting to change your life. >> for some inmates sny is freedom. the iyp is a small taste of what's to come. after over a decade in the shu, inmate angel chaves looks forward to a more interactive prison program. >> i feel like i got let down by the familia. the situation was, i was doing time for the familia. i've asked for assistance. i'm not going to specify what assistance. i asked for assistance to handle business for me because i was in the business for them. >> sure. >> and they never came through although they said they would. at that point, i felt lik...

Innocent people getting hurt. and seeing too many people doing things they didn't want to do, being forced to do. it's like the higher you go up, the more you see. >> the debrief process takes months, sometimes even years. because the igi must verify the truth of an inmate's autobiography. >> for myself, back in 2001, when i was in county jail, they ordered me to hit my own uncle because he was a dropout. and then after that, that's when i got my little points, what they call points. they train us to do all that. >> how were you trained? >> you got different educations. you got your street edu...