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>> just for my own understanding, what is the main source of your change of heart? >> basically, i'm tired of doing other people's dirty work, of ordering people to do things that because -- for someone else's selfish reasons, when in fact it doesn't benefit me here nor there. i was ordered to kill a dear friend of mine, and i really didn't appreciate that. >> good enough for me. >> there's no guarantees. so it really has to come from within the inmate of him wanting to change who he is. it was interesting to see these guys do this and put themselves through this process knowing that they're d...

A gang inside the prison. and in order to do that, there's a whole debriefing process they have to go through. and it basically entails the inmate coming in and confessing everything he's done with the gang. and sometimes even throwing some people under the bus. and confessing against other people. so it's really a deadly thing for someone to do inside a prison. >> when inmates debrief, they must write a lengthy account of their criminal history both if and out of prison. the review process can take months. but if accepted, the inmates will be allowed to live in the safety of a protective cust...

>> mr. spiller, just for my own understanding, what is the main source of your change of heart? >> basically i'm tired of doing other people's dirty work, of ordering people to do things that because for someone else's selfish reasons when in fact it doesn't benefit me here nor there. i was ordered to kill a dear friend of mine. and i really didn't appreciate that. >> good enough for me. >> there's no guarantees. so it really has to come from within the inmate of him wanting to change who he is. and it was interesting to see these guys do this and put themselves through this process, knowing t...

This it is not true. just because one of their family members was a part of it. i seen too many innocent people targeted that had nothing to do with the gang life. >> once a gang member decides to quit, he can leave the shu in one of two ways, remain inactive for six years or drop out all together. to drop out, inmates must go through a debriefing process which has three missions, first, to determine their sincerity to leave the gang, second, to identify the people who might be a threat to them, since leaving a gang is considered treason, and third, to gather information about the gang. after ...

Because of the nature of their crimes or because they've turned on another inmate. >> these are inmates that have hopefully seen the errors of their ways and want to program and want to change their lifestyle. >> i go home next year. i got a life sentence taken off. >> how? >> part of a debriefing process, i'm going to drop out of a prison gang. >> he's charged 288-a, which is unlawful act with a minor. sentenced to 230 years. it's a big honor badge for general population to kill somebody, especially a sex offender. i don't know whether someone's going to try to take me out. before the day's o...