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Posture because he's trying to push back on this notion that he and he alone is responsible for the fact that the government is shut down. so he and a lot of this colleagues are trying to spin this so put the shoe on senator reid and president obama. where this really gets interesting, though, is more the debt ceiling. it's one thing for ted cruz to have the shutdown on their hands. nobody wants a debt ceiling collapse on their hands. >> can you report now or analyze the fact he seems to be responding in that interview for the first time there to the heat the republican establishment is puttin...

Legislation will include a vote to defund obama care. that would pass the house, yes, but it will never get through the senate as is. >> there should be no conversation about shutting the government down. that's not the goal here. our goal here is to cut spending and to protect the american people from obama care. it's as simple as that. no interest in our part in shutting the government down. >> does this feel like a little advantagea view, circa 2011, debt ceiling collapse. president obama says no, we're not going there again. >> and we're not going to set up a situation where the full faith...

Next year will pocket another $140,000. so i mean to average americans out there figuring this out, how can the president and democrats translate this to the american people as a winning message? how much should they pound if? >> i don't think they've had a problem with it. the p the polls massively support them on that. the republicans have figured out at the end of the day if they say we're going to let bad things happen if you raise taxes, we'll let the government shout down and debt ceiling collapse and all the tax cuts for the middle class and lower and working class americans expire in t...

How to get through all of this political rhetoric and try and achieve something before the debt ceiling collapse, august 2nd. if that occurs this fragile economy in the united states will get that much worse. >> luke russert on capitol hill for us. luke, thank. >> be well. the u.s. navy is suspending guide allowing same-sex couples to wednesday on the bases following outrage from. republicans. opponents say it would violate a law that bans rgay marriages. nbc has more for us from the pentagon. how long is the navy's guidance expected to be suspended for and when might this new decision be re...

Future on the democrats. he's fighting from a defensive posture because he's trying to push back on this notion that he and he alone is responsible for the fact that the government is shut down. so he and a lot of his colleagues are trying to spin this so put the shoe on senator reid and president obama. where this really gets interesting, though, is more the debt ceiling. it's one thing for ted cruz to have the shutdown on their hands. nobody wants a debt ceiling collapse on their hands. >> do you think -- can you report now or inlize the fact he seems to be responding in that interview for t...