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Throughout the entire ten-year period. here is the big issue though, i want to see obamacare repealed, but it's not going to happen through paul ryan's budget plan. the republicans, if they want that to happen, to get ryan's plan through, they're going to have to during one of the cr's or debt ceiling debates, they are going to have to shut the government down. we still take in 2.7 trillion, will pay for medicare, social security, will pay off our debt, the full faith and credit of the united states, but isn't that the only way that ryan's budget gets done? >> no, no, not at all. ryan's budget...

>> don't you have to be ma masculine to be emasculated? >> and the debt ceiling debates and all that, definitely impacts from the government shenanigans going on and i want to highlight, it's not that the government shouldn't spend in more money than they take in during a recession, it's when you're outside of recession and more or less headed to the balanced budget. that's what the market wants to see, we can do that and not have another recession. otherwise you're japan, perpetually spend more than you take it. this is a good leg to stand on. if the cuts kicked in a year ago or year before, ...

Using the debt ceiling as leverage just two years -- september 2011. i want to read a statement. >> okay. >> you said, i do agree with the fact that having these debt ceiling debates in the middle of an economic downturn that we're having right now is not healthy, and there's no question that business people, those people that hire employees across our country, watch this and become uncertain. and yet you're now -- you and your party are saying, well, we're going to do this. and pat toomey is willing to shut down the government over it. are you willing to shut down the government over this? >>...

Resources which sets us up for a dire first quarter of next year as we jump off the cliff. >> we have seen this before. with the debt ceiling debates, sometimes capitol hill and the white house should bring us right up to the edge, the 11th hour and lo and behold they have a deal. >> reporter: she they show up with deals they put together with chicken wire and bubble gum and duct tape and that's about what it's worth. i think the american people expect this. we have had uncertainty after uncertainty. when it gets resolved we don't see the upswing it was obama-care it waltz. >> i recollection. ...

Yes, the debt ceiling debates are back. speaker john boehner drew a new line in the sand this week saying he would not allow an increase in the debt ceiling without substantial spending cut, and this is my idea of what is in store. but what you are watching now is a scientist with the north carolina wildlife resource commission trying to relocate a wayward alligator. the scientist is fine now by the way, but it is also an allegory for the speaker who should be forewarned that bringing up the debt ceiling before the debate could end up biting him in the rear. joining me to talk about the debt d...