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Going to use it politically against the democrats in the midterm elections next year. this is a pure political calculation by mcconnell and by the other republican senators. mcconnell has indicated that if democrats were to put forward just the spending measure, the budget measure that would insure the government stays open in decouple it from the debt ceiling question, that they would win republican votes for that measure so the first step of course would be for republican senators to make good on that and, you know, agree to pass whatever it is the democrats come up with in terms of just the...

Country, you know, for a lot of people around the country this all comes out of the blue. what are you talking about. why are with own the edge of a crisis on paying our bills and i think she's going to get people stirred up. the real issue politically is, again though who winds up taking blame for all of these deficits and the rewards that comes from passing a major democratic bill, do the re-wards outweigh the costs of driving up the deficits more in the future? that's what's at stake and i don't think we have the answers yet, but, again, i think we should be reasonably confident that the de...

But it will run into problems in the senate. senate republicans are super dug in on the debt ceiling question. with mostly what is frankly a bad faith argument about who racked up the debt, when, and whose responsibility it needs to be to clear it. that being said, democrats will have to find some way around it because without at least some republican votes to lift the debt ceiling, it becomes politically perilous. that is the most complicated. we'll set that aside for now. the self imposed deadlines are also tricky. they are almost absolutely house focused. in this case you will see that infr...

They want to go ahead or go to the democrats. i think we have seen him do that already with some of the other deals. >> you painted a realistic picture, but all right, they will get signed, there is nothing to argue about budget wise until december. is it just over in congress to get anything done in a big way and that all congress will be about now is the ngss? >> well, on the debt ceiling question, the dynamics are a little different because the freedom caucus isn't holding that hostage. there was not the same fundamental opposition like house democrats had when they tried to control it. it ...

>> that's right, hallie. we are learning -- again, talk about confusion on this issue, a huge announcement from his attorney general, all 800,000 people with their fates and future in this country thrown into question. then another confusing tweet later in that day and now this. it seems like a complete reversal. and senior democratic aid tellas us here at nbc that, in fact, nancy pelosi asked the president to do this during a phone call. she is taking credit, essentially, for what happens happened. and my question still, is this a one off or a trend, but right now the president is acting as t...