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Specific legislation. they say is this constitutional or not? and i want to point out a very important point because charlie did something particularly nasty a moment ago. all insurance is rationing, charlie. you know that. that's what insurance is. so to the extent that there's more insurance with the mandate. >> if you have debt panels it takes you to a new level. >> where's the debt panel in your insurance policy? >> there is. >> a death panel in your insurance policy? >> yes. my insurer will reject certain things according to the rules of the policy. and you know that. >> i do want to stic...

Now the answer is give them out of business. >> i will give sarah palin 50% for her. there are debt panels. some of the debts will get paid but only after the institution is resolved and it gets replaced. sheila bear is in charge of it. >> what do you say to americans who -- i don't think it's just on the left. i think there are conservatives that are upset as well. what do you say to people on the left and the right who say we had this huge crisis on september 15th, 2008 and over the next two years, the banks that acted recklessly over the past decade actually got our money and made just amaz...

Reuters washington correspondent john decker and galena espinoza and former republican congresswoman susan mall nary. it got pretty heated on the floor of the house. this is anthony weiner last night. >> basically three formations of the argument by republicans. first, they start by making stuff up. you kind of have to wonder if any of them actually read the bill. 130,000 new agencies, not true. new irs agents, not true. debt panels, not true. house members aren't covered, not true. i want to just advise people watching at home playing that now popular drinking game of you take a shot whenever...

Facilities, so what most people suspect is, a, the cost is going to go up with the demand, as it will, and it will be dealt with by shortages, rationing, and what have you. this is what people are concerned about, and it seems to me a reasonable concern. megyn: the thing that's interesting to me about t.brit, when this bill was still a bill and was not yet law, we saw the white house and its supporters on health care come out and say that the public was being misinformed, they talked about sarah palin and her charge of debt panels, they pointed to some of the media alleging that they were misl...

Fundamentals pillars of health care. they agree 85, 90 percent with that. when you ask what do you bank the obama -- >> alisyn: but where -- >> okay, it's charges like kate's, and again, i do fault the white house for not being as kind of focused as possible, because talk about debt panels, and with respect to kate, this nonsense about a government takeover, remember, it's going to be private doctors and policies administered by private health care plans, but nonetheless, to kate and her friends' credit, this notion of a, quote, government takeover has been such an off-dated talking point that...