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You know that? >> no, it isn't. they say it's going back up. let's not quibble over a couple of decimal points. why the big rise? >> it's not compulsory for women to marry. they're opting out of marriage. with an increase in unmarried women you're seeing a shift of wedlock births. >> do you feel that's a poverty driver? >> no. i think poverty relates to it but poverty is at the root. i think when you have people are locatewad where there are low access to jobs -- >> you don't think women having babies out of wed look, no black men in the home that -- >> you have it wrong. >> okay. i don't real...

Senators in congress people that this sounds good to them. >> bret: charles? >> i think that is right, but that's because it's trivial amount of money. $1.3 trillion is the interest on the loan that the feds have given the state. the feds are foregoing. when you think about the federal budget next year, $1.3 billion, where the deficit alone will be $1.5 trillion, that's less than a tenth of 1% of the deficit. so, it's not a lot of money. >> bret: at first you said, "$1.3 trillion." you meant $1.3 billion. >> sorry. $1.3 billion that the states would be paying now on the interest of the loans r...

Telling their republican senators in congress people that this sounds good to them. >> bret: charles? >> i think that is right, but that's because it's trivial amount of money. $1.3 trillion is the interest on the loan that the feds have given the state. the feds are foregoing. when you think about the federal budget next year, $1.3 billion, where the deficit alone will be $1.5 trillion, that's less than a tenth of 1% of the deficit. so, it's not a lot of money. >> bret: at first you said, "$1.3 trillion." you meant $1.3 billion. >> sorry. $1.3 billion that the states would be paying now on th...