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Lawmaker was rare in-person presentation earlier this week, where some of the white house officials went to the hill, they said there was no strategy, no plan. this lawmaker said to me, we need to see the president be decisive and they really feel like there's decision paralysis on these key issues like tariffs and student loans. >> i heard this, he thought, particularly on tariffs, they've been doing this. let me tell you. this is what doug jones said to me on my podcast earlier this week about, he's stopped keeping biden caged in essentially. take a listen. >> joe has, he wears that office v...

Impediment here, nicole, and that's we have decision paralysis that's creeping in. part of that was defeatism early on in that ukraine wouldn't be able to survive, so why risk a potential for a wider confrontation between nato and ukraine? there's still some residue from that defeatism. that ukraine has overwhelming odds, even though they've been performing masterfully, and why risk a wider confrontation? that's on the premise that somehow ukraine folds, ukraine loses, and there's no need to bear that risk. in reality, this is likely to grind on, and the fear of a russian escalation is totally...

This campaign. we'll see if it sticks. >> one of the things i was going to ask you, gargarrett, the momentum he had when he ran for senate made a lot of people think he could break through. when he announced his candidacy, he raised a lot of money, but since then, i believe candidate o'rourke is only made about $6.8 million, less than the 19.4 million he raised in the first quarter of the year. do you get a sense as to why, from his campaign, that enthusiasm as it translates into a dollar amount in polling has dropped a little bit? >> i think some of it was sort of a decision paralysis. so man...