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That when a client uses a lawyer, it doesn't have to be a conspiracy. it can literally be the client asking the lawyer for advice that they can then use. turned it a crime. that the relationship no longer blocks that evidence from scrutiny by prosecutors. that's what's happened here. >> to that point, to elaborate on what you're saying earlier, devin, this can show what andrew weissmann referred to as the men's rail, his intent and all this. which seems to be the key, right? the piercing of the attorney client privilege, reveals the cooperation, or lack thereof, between the client and his lawy...

Declassification process works. there's probably not just one lawyer here that can attest to the trump's state of mind, as a concerned, but given the document back to the doj? >> right, that just a really important factual point in this case, it's important remember, vertically with evan corcoran. evan corcoran has brought brought into this late. after other lawyers talk to trump about this. evan corcoran, comes into this cold got a lot of this from the former president could've evan corcoran it at the mercy. of trump's lawyers of events. when he spotted late. and i think it's part of the reas...

What andrew wiseman referred to as a mens rea. the piercing of the attorney client privilege the fact that trump may have obfuscated or down right outright lied to evan corcoran, and presumably there are other lawyers in the mix who told trump this is what you need to do, this is why you need to return these documents, this is how the declassification process works. i mean there's probably not just one lawyer here that can attest to trump's state of mind as it concerned the document -- giving the documents back to the doj. >> right, and that gets to a really important factual point in this cas...

And an article around the executive branch, by saying, he wants to do things a certain way and he didn't do than the right way. but certainly, it's like unlike any declassification we are where. of any normal president under normal circumstance does not simply say, i'm bringing this documents home way with me -- >> i want to get deeper into that, how the declassification process works, but before we do, frank, help us understand this. what is the difference between confidential, secret, top secret and ts a sihai, all of which were found in trump's house? h were found in trump' house? >> drives...

Parts might be safe, that kind of thing, it doesn't sound like that kind of thing happened here -- sounds like they are saying he simply is president, i -- i am not a lawyer. obviously other people on this program ourselves and are smarter than i am about this. it could be a test to get that argument in court, as to whether or not you can constrain a presidents power under article two to run the executive branch by saying he has to do things a certain way, he didn't do them the right way. but certainly, it's unlike any declassification that we are aware of any normal president, a normal circum...