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Or a dance with the military authority that stepped into the vacuum but actually exercised meaningful control, and in any of these countries that you see that have histories of these blended either dictatorships or coups, you see it in south america or in the middle east context. the military often operates as a checkpoint, that is to say, even whether when there's a dictator exercising powers, the generals aren't going along. the other thing about the eco-systems about the protests, the april 6 movement that started in january 2008, what started with tahrir square and led, of course, to this ...

Because especially in such a tight money time, you know, the resources that go to the national parks tend to be less and less. >> yes, of course. >> and although they're such vast eco systems, they do need people to manage them. did you know that yellowstone is ten times the size of new york city? >> no. >> it needs everything from a mayor down to the person who cleans up and maintains the place. that means there has to be a certain amount of funding allocated for that. however, once you've seen these beautiful places, you don't begrudge a cent that is expanded to keep this intact for us and f...

Into this disaster and you still have this problem on the ground where our local leaders -- and, i mean, look, anderson, one of the big frustrations is our local leaders seem to be the only ones coming up with ideas to protect the marshes from the oil. all they're being told from bp and the federal government is no. they find too many ways to say no instead of finding real all terp actives. all they do is tell our folks there's reasons we don't want to do this or that instead of saying we want to work with you to stop this problem from getting into the marshes and the eco systems here in the c...

Get that estimate. >> and, anderson, you're exactly right. they have literally just underestimated and downplayed the severity of this damage from day one. in many ways it's helped -- it's hurt our ability to mitigate the disaster, to protect our marshes from the oil. we've seen from early on a tremendous amount of oil coming from this well and ultimately it works its way into our marshes. our goal has been to protect our marshes, stop the oil from coming in so we don't have this devastation to our marshes, eco systems and seafood beds. about. p and the federal government both have downplayed ...

There's no excuse for that. i mean, we're now two months into this disaster and you still have this problem on the ground where our local leaders -- and, i mean, look, anderson, one of the big frustrations is our local leaders seem to be the only ones coming up with ideas to protect the marshes from the oil. all they're being told from bp and the federal government is no. they find too many ways to say no instead of having real alternatives. they don't have any alternatives. all they do is tell our folks there's reasons we don't want to do this or that instead of saying we want to work with yo...