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Actually got the transcript of every phone call president obama made. i've read hundreds and hundreds of those and i've never, ever seen anything like this. i mean, first of all, you have to consider the context of ukraine. and, of course, the president of ukraine is saying what president trump wants to hear there. his country is bee sieged. crimea is annexed. they are being killed in eastern ukraine. he is depending 0 not this aid which is a life line for ukraine. for the president of the united states to be leveraging aid that is a life line to a country that has been invaded by an adversary...

People of ukraine. all he cares about is his own political interest, is the definition of corruption. and one other thing i think, we know about this because of the whistle-blower. there is one little window open to one phone call. where else is this happening? if this is -- everything we know about how trump operates, is this happening with saudi arabia? is this happening with russia, right? so to me this is a peek at how trump actually operates and what that shows you is the complete and utter corruption of american foreign policy. >> your reaction? >> my reaction is quite similar. i found t...

Storm they're in. donald trump sees this nothing as more than a mere sideshow. what he cares about is on that call, talk to rudy giuliani. talk to bill barr. talk to my kind of personal lawyers and it's, first of all, bad thing the attorney general seems to be a personal lawyer for the president of the united states, about this corruption investigation. the other thing i would say, the decision to recommend that they get rid of that prosecutor was an inter-agency -- meaning the state department comes together, the nsc, white house and others. this person was at the heart of a lot of corruption...

Corrupt, to deflect from his own deep corruption. >> ben, i think the disturbing thought overnight i think for the audience is this is just one phone call. >> yes. >> this is just one phone call, one whistle-blower. wendy sherman, ben rhodes, thank you for joining us. really appreciate it. when we come back, republican strategist mike murphy says 30 republican senators would vote to convict donald trump in an impeachment trial in the senate and remove him from office if it were a secret ballot. mike murphy and john heilman join us next. there's the amped-up, over-tuned, feeding-frenzy-of she...

Ukraine. we spent the last 2 1/2 years of the obama administration -- and wendy was front and center in this, too -- mobilizing europeans to impose sanctions on russia. figuring out what assistance packages could go to ukraine to help weather this incredible storm they're in. donald trump sees this as nothing more than a mere sideshow. what he cares about is on that call, talk to rudy giuliani. talk to bill barr. talk to my kind of personal lawyers and it's, first of all, bad thing the attorney general seems to be a personal lawyer for the president of the united states, about this completely ...