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The other thing is that, you know, we saw this before in the summer of -- in july of 2014. russian-backed separatists with the help of the russian military and special services accidentally shot down malaysian airlines flight 17 which was full of civilians. nearly 300 people were killed. this was right over eastern ukraine. and the eu led by the netherlands, which had the most citizens onboard, led a thorough investigation that took many years that really laid out the evidence extremely convincingly, like there was no bones you could pick there. russia had its own investigation. they did their...

Mentioned, face up to 40 years, which would for her be almost like a life sentence. keep in mind, chris, she also has the perjury counts she has to face, the trial doesn't have a date yet but she also stands another ten years on those charges. >> not the only victims, julie, but to your point not the only perpetrators. what does this verdict mean for the other people in epstein's orbit? what are your sources telling you? what could come next? >> i think a lot of people were a little bit worried, you know, waiting to see if she's going to try to provide the government with the names of other pe...

In this case. >> one of the outs that jurors could have given her was to accept the defense argument that even if it were the gun she intended to use, that was justified, but they didn't buy that. >> yes, they could have gone with that defense, because daunte wright, when they were trying to handcuff him, and he was picked up for a legitimate reason, they made the stop and found out he had an outstanding warrant and it was a warrant actually for waving a gun in a public place. and he then jumped back into the car and was going to pull away. and that's only when she intervened with what she tho...

It's really underlined in every way. >> i think you bring up a good point. you have a law enforcement officer who is in the car. and, you know, frankly she is using lethal force. and that was part of the prosecutor's -- i'm sorry the defense argument which was she was lawfully using deadly force with a fleeing defendant. so, and i would agree with that. but the problem is if you are a defendant, don't flee law enforcement. if you are being taken into custody, comply. and when you flee or try to get away or resist arrest, bad things happen like what happened right here. here is my frustrating -...

Oh, my [ bleep ]! i just shot him. >> cnn legal analyst paul callen joins me now. paul, i was wrong about the outcome in this one. i thought they were hung. how about you? >> you know, michael, i had the same feeling, that it was going to be a hung jury. and, you know, i felt that way, and probably you did as well, because historically, jurors give cops the benefit of the doubt when it's a close case. her immediate reaction and sorrow for the shooting suggested that it was in fact an accident. but sometimes, as the prosecutor said, an accident can be a crime as well. and that's what the jury f...