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So it's more complex. >> when you say lethal, you mean the soviet union and the nuclear weapons? >> exactly. the soviet union, in case of a central war with the united states, could kill roughly 80 million americans in six hours. today, that threat is not very likely. but instead, we have a lot of threats, ranging from terrorists to rogue states, to unpredictable events and that makes the defense issue more complex, even though it is somewhat rather less legal. >> and also the talking, certainly in this defense review about needing to be aware of cyber, of space, of the high seas. does the u.s...

Threats, ranging from terrorists to rogue states, to unpredictable events and that makes the defense issue more complex, even though it is somewhat rather less legal. >> and also the talking, certainly in this defense review about needing to be aware of cyber, of space, of the high seas. does the u.s. and is the u.s. now, do you think, positioned to deal with all of that? >> the united states is better positioned to deal with all of that than any other country. because we still have bigger resources, a highly sophisticated technological capability, but, and that's a very important but, i think...

>>. do you think that congress will step in? >> i hope so, 20,000 jobs in private sector on the line. not just jobs, rare skilled jobs not just for the space system, but our missile defense system as well. it's a defense issue. the defense department said in a report to us last june if you slow down this aires constellation program. >> brian: not everybody liked the constellation program, it was the only thing on the drawing board. now we're starting over. >> this one thing by a rogue administrator in nasa is picked up, but there is no backup. no idea what they're going to do. when the space s...

Talked specifically about whether or not they used the military tribunal system and he said no agency that he had contact with that day supported that. what do you make of that decision? >> well, that's not an accurate statement, really. i think that it is misleading to a great degree because apparently once they warned him of his rights, after this 50 minutes, he clammed up and didn't talk anymore. and they made that decision before top official were ever notified, and in fact mr. blair and even the fbi director holder himself said that he was not advised of this at the time it happened. and ...

We see this not when he talks about defense issue but really any issue. >> and mike barnical, if you are sitting in the room with a new president who says, i want ten times as many nuclear weapons, it shows a complete ignorance of what preceding you over the past 50 years, alt salt treaty, all the stark treaty, all the treaties that actually ronald reagan at the end, where the presidents preceded him, all of those hard fought victories and all of those summits that presidents had. again, across the decades, to get our nuclear arsenal at a certain stage and just to say, hey, i want to proceed i...