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Have been involved. i think it illustrates how the defenders of trump and the trump campaign don't know all the facts. none of us do. that's why the story keeps evolving the way it does. >> you have said on our air, this is the administration and their attorneys, jay sekulow in this case, moving the defense lines back. haven't they moved them back as far as you can go? as far as you can go is, well, it wasn't illegal. they're sort of like, okay we can do it again. >> it wasn't a high cream and misdemeanor justifying impeachment. that's the next line of defense. that's true but -- i mean, they ...

That. >> with our panel tonight joining us, former republican presidential candidate santorum, and former cia officer bob bear and matthew whitker. jeff, what's your reaction to what jay said? >> i think what's interesting is how the subject matter has changed. for months the president and everyone involved in the campaign was saying this whole subject was ridiculous. there were no contacts between thecome pain and the russians. now we know this meeting took place. >> now it's no illegality. >> and he's saying there's no illegality. he may be right, he may be wrong. but they are moving the def...

Properly as an attorney, saying there is no illegality. he may be right. he may be wrong. but they are moving the defense lines back. we'll see if there is no illegality. it is true that it is not 100% clear that there is any illegality at this point. but the facts are going to determine whether there is any illegality. >> senator, it's also tough -- obviously jay has a tough job in many ways. but when you have a client whether it's as an attorney or a public relations person who has not told you or has not revealed the full story right away, it is this drip, drip. and it has become a week-lon...

And mitt is winning? >> well, mitt romney came last night to do what he had to do. he was the new combat-ready mitt romney. and he gave newt gingrich's tactics right back at him. mitt romney was well prepared with attack lines and defense lines. he was in newt's space the whole time. it had the feel of a bully being confronted by a guy who was ready for it. but other things happened before that. newt gingrich saying he'd have sarah palin in his administration. scared the establishment types. marco rubio attacking newt gingrich for an ad he had on. newt gingrich talking about colonizing the moo...

They vow to kick gaddafi out. some of the people with the weapons, that ier kids. do you think they'll be ready to fight? >> they're ready to fight. >> reporter: the mission and cause are clear. how they will do it less so. enlooking at the haphazard defense lines, improvised ammo dumps and roadblocks using empty rocket launchers. >> the soldiers run away, not because they don't want to fight. because they know they are not right. >> they are bringing new meaning to citizen soldier this is an army depot ammunition delivery truck if you will. they just had to push start the thing. what they lac...