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Published a feature called 101 faces of courage. that includes real photos and real bios and real names of 100 other gay service members plus the real j.d. smith. joining us now live from washington, d.c., at a party hosted by the service members legal defense network for the very first time not in silhouette is united states air force first lieutenant josh seifried who will never again have to be known as j.d. smith. he's the founder of outserve and author of "our time." joining us, newly retired colonel victor farenbach who came out on this program. he fought his discharge under don't ask, d...

Joining us for a fair and balanced debate are the executive director of the legal services defense network and todd ach aiken. welcome to you both. >> pleasure to be able to joan you. >> shannon: both have some things similar in your background. both have served in the army and both are lawyers and yet you are split on this. aubrey, i want to start with you. the defense of marriage act is still legally the law of the land and defines marriage as between a man and a woman. don't ask don't tell has not been repealed yet for the service. why should they be performing same-sex marriages or do you ...

There are a lot of benefits in the military aside from the part of getting your head blown off. but gays and significant others can't get them. so these guys still want to serve their country, even though their significant others would not get the benefits of a married wife. that tells me they are really a patriot. i do not know what qawg meyer means. >> last word to you, terry. are servicemen's legal defense network says this training takes too long. it should be done sooner. that suggests they are more interested in providing a social agenda or kicking off politically correct points. killing...

>> i have read several reports that he could. he could use stop loss procedures. what the service members legal defense network and other organizations are promoting is we need to change the don't ask, don't tell. this law was enacted by congress and the only way to get permanent change and a permanent solution is congress to change this law. that doesn't mean we don't need presidential leadership and courage. we need the president to step up and change this uncushion a.m. law. >> colonel victor ferenbach and your attorney. i understand things may happen. keep us posted on the outcome. >> if i...

You talked about it on television. why have you decided to come forward in this way now and tell your story? >> for a variety of reasons. there's tremendous momentum going on right now, in the house as well as the senate, and also the pentagon and the administration. there's a great deal of movement right now and impetus to finally get this ball rolling forward. partly through the senate, the great staffers there, as well as in the house. there's also several key organizations that have been working hard behind us, service members united, service members legal defense network. human rights cam...