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>> sean: absolutely. >> absolutely. >> are you kidding me? >> executive experience? strong leadership skills. >> i feel like i've landed in oz. we're off to he see the wizard here. >> sean: she will drill, baby drill and will be energy independent. she will have a coherent, stronger national defense posture, four, she won't bankrupt the country. >> it would be stronger because she can see the soviet union from her back door and could you tell your friend from minnesota. she was pleasant to me. >> sean: anyone else you want to take shots at? do you want to call me ugly before we go? >> i don't ...

With the -- >> it is true israel and egypt fought three wars. >> , but the last one was in '73. there is one big change in israeli defense posture since 1973. they have nuclear weapons. do we really believe that egypt is going to launch another war against israel? >> geraldo: i don't think the problem -- i think it is the destablization and loss of any kind of -- >> clearly hamas becomes a bigger problem. gaza becomes a bigger problem for israel. that is not a cataclysmic event. it is a problem. >> do you think iran is a cataclysmic event for the world? >> yes, but this is not iran. egypt has ...

With the -- >> it is true israel and egypt fought three wars. >> , but the last one was in '73. there is one big change in israeli defense posture since 1973. they have nuclear weapons. do we really believe that egypt is going to launch another war against israel? >> geraldo: i don't think the problem -- i think it is the destablization and loss of any kind of -- >> clearly hamas becomes a bigger problem. gaza becomes a bigger problem for israel. that is not a cataclysmic event. it is a problem. >> do you think iran is a cataclysmic event for the world? >> yes, but this is not iran. egypt has ...

>> geraldo: even in connection with the -- >> it is true israel and egypt fought three wars. >> , but the last one was in '73. there is one big change in israeli defense posture since 1973. they have nuclear weapons. do we really believe that egypt is going to launch another war against israel? >> geraldo: i don't think the problem -- i think it is the destablization and loss of any kind of -- >> clearly hamas becomes a bigger problem. gaza becomes a bigger problem for israel. that is not a cataclysmic event. it is a problem. >> do you think iran is a cataclysmic event for the world? >> yes, b...

And we are waiting to hear what their conditions are, and again, if sean o'keefe, the former nasa administrator is among those who are injured. joining us now, former senator from alaska mike gravelle. our sympathies on the loss today. >> you're welcome, it's a sad day i think for alaska and for a lot of americans. >> tell us about the senator ted stevens that you knew? >> obviously, we're of different parties and different ideological views. he certainly was the most effective senator in support of the military and the defense posture. i was one of those who was most critical of that. because...