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Part of an important opportunity to communicate very clearly about this. not legalistic stuff and doctrines but what he saw was a murder. plain and simple p. that's how it came across. and i think that was very very positive thing for all of us is that the nation and the community in cincinnati is trying to understand this crime. this alleged crime. >> you know when you read a little bit more about dubose and the way that he is talked and, i mean praised in the past from other officers and people that he's worked with. you have the chief saying he's an intelligent, personable pleasant guy. i d...

Prosecutors. the federal sentencing guidelines. this is a law that congress passed that suggested how much time people should get in situations like this. look this is the guy who was the highest elected official in the state. he's sworn to uphold the law and, instead, he violates it. 11 felony count conviction. it's not just a one-time thing. he was like, hook me up with the rolax. hook my wife up with a $20,000 shopping spree. yo, hook my daughter up with a wedding reception and the amount of money. you know, i used to prosecute these kind of cases and we were always amazed with how low folk...

Has been reporting about the number of carjackings that have sky rocketed. >> gang violence is a poison in our society. you have four defendants here. from a defense standpoint they still have to be represented by council, and if you have a nonshooter defendant who wasn't in the car, one of the people off to the side, there is a possibility for a deal there especially with cooperation and testimony. >> they had the goods on these guys, likely, doug? >> you would think. one big advantage of cell phone photos is everybody has phones out and taking pictures, mall surveillance and the wife is a hu...

Marcia clark, she has assessed and analyzed the case accurately. but from the defense standpoint, all he has is to attack their case. and i think the defense has done a very good job of attacking their case. they have the two lawyers. and you have the good guy and the bad guy. and i think they've aggressively attacked that case. but mr. zimmerman's told a lot of contradictory -- made statements that are contradictory. and i think the prosecution may take advantage of that. but that's all they can do. >> marcia clark and billy martin, i'm going to have to leave there it. thanks for your time to...

Self-defense claim is on shaky grounds. so this evidence is extremely important. >> are you saying you can't tell based on those photos, the medical examiner examining from the photos, whether or not those were enough lacerations to explain being slammed multiple times? >> i think you can actually take a fall, bang your head against the sidewalk, and come down with this kind of hematoma situation. i think it -- certainly, the wounds appear to be super official but that doesn't mean there isn't some underlying trama more serious -- >> but if your head is slammed repeatedly on a sidewalk, wouldn...