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Know. >> stop right there. i want to make sure i understand this. you also did defense work in federal courts and other places. you're saying getting a letter saying you're subject but not a criminal target. you should talk to us, that from a defense attorney standpoint that's not -- no one's writing that in stone. >> that doesn't mean anything really. very little to me. now that i'm on the other side and representing people who are subjects of criminal investigations that would not give me much comfort at all. all it means is that the investigation hasn't wrapped up yet. a prosecutor is not g...

Used to your spokesperson for your legal defense team. he's worried obstruction of justice. and that's a problem if you're going to be inconsistent with that. >> walking away. let's talk about another one of the president's lawyers, dowd, who this week, by the way, and there's so much happening in the headlines, also gone this week. >> again, there's a concern here that the president's now left with a very limited group of folks with limited criminal defense experience. so ty cobb has certainly a former prosecutor, certainly has done some defense work, but he needs desperately somebody who can...

Attorney-client privilege. his secrets say with imhad. he can maintain donald trump's confidence even as an ex-member of the team. he and the president both saying positive things about each other, on his way out the door. number four, our colleague, julia ainslie, reporting two well places sources say donald trump is interested in bringing back marc kasowitz, a more combative lawyer known more for his criminal work than his defense work. but the writing on the wall is clear -- donald trump is moving away from a largely cooperative framework, avoiding mentioning mueller by name, having ty cobb...

Negotiating with mueller team. pamela brown saying the president does not need to sit down for formal interview with bob mueller. do you think he should sit down with bob mueller or that it's fair for him to avoid it? >> that would be between him and his attorneys. i was a prosecutor. never did much defense work. if i was defending i would be reluctant to do that. the man is president of the united states. he can simply refuse. >> but if you were prosecuting. >> i would want him there. absolutely. >> all right. thank you very much, senator. i appreciate your time. as always. thank you. >> than...

That enough has been done to prevent meddling in the 2018 midterms? >> no not at all. first of all, to be fair, it's a very, very difficult thing to try to figure out how to keep a nation state like russia or perhaps china or others who might be interested in further disrupting democracy in the united states. it's a really hard chore. you have to do good defense work and try to strengthen the system to mes which is hard enough but that requires a lot of money, concentration and perhaps most importantly political will. so i don't think that we can in any way shape or form sit become and say yea...