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Able to. >> they are not gonna be concerned with these votes for big government. >> lots of luck. but the thing is when these stories come out and people -- well, no i hear a lot of liberals saying he is a hypocrite, he is really a big government guy you the next breath they say have you seen his budgets? they will decimate the -- >> i think they ought to stick to the budget. bush. ronald reagan was a hypocrite by that standard. >> of course. >> everybody should -- >> one of the biggest ones. >> so much of this is symbolism, but paul ryan was a deficit hawk for a good bit of his career. he cer...

As a deficit fighting comrade. only one problem with that theory. a look at his 14-year congressional record. and he's not an outsider. he was often willing to vote for expensive government programs without worrying to pay for a nickel of it. he voted thr for the $70 billion bank bailout, auto bailout, the wars in iraq and afghanistan and for bush's prescription drug benefit. he backed the 2005 highway, included the bridge to nowhere. also for no child left behind and none of that was paid for. he voted for everything under w. and that doesn't sound like the record of a deficit hawk, so what i...

For $5.4 million in earmarks in 2008. earmarks, millions of dollars, for a deficit hawk? >> well, you know, earmark game, as you well know, has been in this a long time. what people are looking at and questioning is that the republican congress in recent years has -- earmarks. clearly right before they decided to do that, they were knee-deep in them and i think paul ryan as the budget committee chairman had a lot of clout. he could get some of these things insert flood these appropriations bills. he did that. i think the deeper question that you got at, you mentioned, is i think people will qu...

>> and so, bruce, the ryan plan was not bring the budget into balance during mitt romney's lifetime, or what an act wactua would say his life expectancy is, yet still they say he's our greatest deficit hawk, our real fiscal conservative. what happens to fiscal conservatives on the republican side that they think it's okay to just do all of this kind of budget cutting, tax cutting, and forget about deficits? >> well, they become obsessed with cutting taxes. i would like to just add that paul ryan voted in favor of the medicare expansion in 2003, an unfunded, new entitlement program. he basicall...

Money by all accounts say did work. >> now, before i let you go, the right wing calls him a deficit hawk. let's look at the record. deficit hawk, devoted for bush tax cuts, adding $1.7 trillion to the deficit in the bush years. he voted to extend the cuts and adding another $620 billion to the deficit. he voted for t.a.r.p. $224 billion hit. he authorized military force in iraq, $853 billion. medicare, part d, another $180 billion. altogether, more than $5 trillion added to the deficit because of policies ryan supported and voted for. how's that for a deficit hawk? >>le with, you certainly wil...