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And what you've seen with the health care right now is when one party tries to ram through a policy, it's not good. and the problem republicans have right now is their disagreement within their own party as to what tax reform should look like. there's disagreement in the white house what the tax rate should be, disagreements between the white house and congressional republicans about issues like the border entrustment tax, also the broader issue about how you pay for tax reform. they've made a commitment this would be deficit neutral, but only because they are trying to pull money out of healt...

For them? >> tax cuts, or tax reform should be deficit neutral. and we have that in our budget that it will be required to be deficit neutral. i want to be sure that people understand that that will be deficit neutral by using the tax provisions. when we talk about mandatory spending and the cuts in the mandatory spending and saving of $200 billion that's paying for deficit reduction. that does not go for tax cuts. it's two different avenues. >> neil: you use dynamic accounting, i don't want to get too wonky, and are you better than i am. you get growth and boom for the buck with tax cuts. but...

His internet companies, we need to help the brick and mortar stores. brick and mortar stores have an online presence, talking macy's or walmart, they're some of the biggest online retailers out there. what exactly is the president suggesting? if he said forget the border adjustment tax, but wants to help brick and mortar, i don't understand. >> well, it is a good question. i think the president has -- may have abandoned the border adjustment tax. i'm not sure he abandoned the idea of punitive tariffs on importers to the united states. he may look for some other iteration of that, and whether h...

Is that doable? are you afraid if it isn't done, then there could be trouble? >> it's doable, if we can put it a priority and go to work. no, it's not going to sell well. it's not going to sell well to my voters in the fifth district if we don't come away with anything. deadlock cannot continue to be an option. the last eight years has been deadlock. a lot of the legislation that president obama had was bad. >> neil: i'm -- i want to be clear on the tax cut thing. that is this notion that some in your party think that tax cuts should be paid for, deficit neutral, you know the drill. do you sub...

They assume they'll cut taxes by $6 trillion but somehow that will be deficit neutral. either they're fluffing the numbers and expect meerkts, or they're not telling us about $6 trillion worth of tax likes. >> so in some ways, we're counting the same thing. we're going to unleash animal spirits. business will take off. tax revenues are growing up. if the assumptions are wrong, all the numbers end up wrong. >> either you're talking about a major tax cut that will in your mind produce speck spend growth as it didn't do under bush and did not do in kansas, for example. otherwise, you're had, you ...