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Does the ryan budget end up being a liability if you're a house republican? >> absolutely. the same way it was for them in the past. you can't target medicare and have that not be a liability. throwing all the gimmicks aside, i would be curious about doug's take, it's basically two things, health care costs rising over time and revenue being as historic lows. all the rest is gimmickry. social security is good until 2030, and after that 80% without any changes at all. once you deal with those two things, you don't have any long-term deficit problem, and it's not often it's even a problem. >> ke...

>> ryan, what's the long game here. we know the cuts are sort of phasing in. rand paul has been out there saying no harm, no foul, it is great, let's double down, even more cuts much does this posture ultimately hurt republicans in the long term when people in america and the world start understanding better what they mean on a practical level? >> yes. i think the error the republicans made was to focus on deficits. if they had instead focused on tax levels, said taxes are too high, that's what the republicans want, they want taxes to stay low. they don't actually care that much about spending...

Spend money and what is worth it and what isn't. >> we have here jared bernstein, budget celebrant emeritus. jared, let's talk about this. before this show started, we started a discussion about it's actually good i think for the country to get involved in a discussion about budget, not just because you have an affinity for numb bersz, but as ezra says, budgets are moral documents in a way. they show or priorities as a country. what have you gleaned? >> well, paul ryan's budget has described as robin hood in reverse. i think that is accurate. the savings that he generates largely come from cut...

And health care spending isn't a rational market because all of us when you're sick, you want everything you possibly can get. >> right. >> and so there's -- i don't think we talk enough about this. there's really a fundamental scariness at the heart of this which is what's driving the long-term deficit problem is an irrational market about our most -- the things that are most important to us. this is not about big bird, not about npr, this is not about discretionary spending which is, what, 12% of the budget, defense, entitlement, this is about health care. and i think that until we have a bi...

1, people are going to start seeing the smaller unemployment checks in the next few weeks. the national employment law project actually warns that the budget cut will have a ripple effect, also impacting funding for state agencies and potentially making it harder for people to get help finding jobs or to have their claims processed when they are looking for every dollar. brianna? >> are there concerns about the economy in general, just the bigger economy and the impact this will have? >> you know, as you know, it depends on who you ask about this. we talked to a couple of economists. one said,...