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To do -- would be perfectly happy to see individual rates in the business community if it was part of a big package that lowered corporate rates, one of the things that's what simpson-bowles was about and they were -- they would be fine with that and they are, i think, they're looking for if they -- they also want reassurance that tax reform piece which could include rates, rising on the rich, will also include big pieces of deficit reduction. that's what they care about. they want certainty, to be part of a big deal they feel like that's systemically deals with the long-term deficit thing. >>...

Didn't he? let's look at another chart. the first terms of these five presidents, the blue line, light blue line is bill clinton's presidency. with the net change in government spending less than 3%. but look at the red lines, reagan, 12% growth in government spending. bush, 41%. 6% for bush 43, a net increase of 12%. all this government spending has a stimulative effect. when the republicans are in the oval office, no big deal they are happy to help their president kick start the economy with spending. but when it's a democrat in the oval office, all of a sudden republicans are holy smokes, w...

But president obama was saddled with the great recession. and he had a lot of help, too, didn't he? let's look at another chart. the first terms of these five presidents, the blue line, light blue line is bill clinton's presidency. with the net change in government spending less than 3%. but look at the red lines, reagan, 12% growth in government spending. bush, 41%. 6% for bush 43, a net increase of 12%. all this government spending has a stimulative effect. when the republicans are in the oval office, no big deal they are happy to help their president kick start the economy with spending. bu...

Think is fair. he's right about making the pitch on fairness. what's lacking so far is the specifics of how he's going to get this job done. and he's got to be able to do what bill clinton did when i was in congress is come together, find common ground. when i was on the budget committee, we had some tough decisions to make. clinton didn't like some of the things republicans did, but eventually we got welfare reform done, lowered taxes, balanced the budget. when i left, we were in surplus. that's what this president so far has not been able to do. >> is there a relationship that you see that c...

Put a value added tack and create another tax credit to refund to people -- >> greta: the tack bill gets two feet tall by then. >> more complexy. the bottom is line is they can't afford to spend the a.m. they are spending. they have to either inflate the currency or increase taxes. that's the only way they are going to get out of this deficit thing. >> greta: thank you. coming up two or is it three members of the palin family in their own words. sarah palin talking tea parties at a rally with minnesota congresswoman bachmann. and governor palin's daughter bristol. why is she back in the news? ...