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About that. i feel like for the president his legacy and his authority right now are really tied to the health care law. and there are huge questions about how it's going to roll out. are people going to find these affordable plans like the president is promising? if they are, then democrats prospects will improve and they'll be more likely to work with the president. he's already limited, because he has a divided congress. he has republicans in the house, and he has democrats in the senate. so there's not a lot he can do in terms of moving big legislation. but he, at the very least, needs big...

Week before christmas people would be complaining but this is a much more serious issue. we might not realize it because we have a couple months to work out but i think the american people are quickly realizing it's becoming a joke. >> i think president obama trying to solve problems of the country, a different country that 20, 30 years ago the same way all of presidents did. just another big government program. we need a more nimble government. we need more free market principles across the floor. can't use the same old politics to solve new problems. it's a different world. >> well said. >> ...

Now they're coming out and saying, okay, let's delay it, let's look at it, let's delay the site, let's delay the individual mandate. so since we're having all of these problems with this law even before it's fully implemented, we need to go back to the drawing board. so instead of utilizing the hearing again for kabooky theater, why not get down to the problems and let's create some answers. and instead of just having secretary sebelius, let's have people from the administration come in and answer questions. also, jon, you've had businesses that have had to augment their current health care po...

Have proven to have worked if mitch mcconnell and harry reid reach some kind of agreement? >> well, it appears to be working already, martin. why did the republicans decide to go to the mattresses over the debt deal? because this deadline gives them some leverage. that's really what they've wanted all along in their battle to try to end obama care or defund it, roll it back, delay it, anything. and we saw their demands rolled back last week as obama stood firm. they realized, finally, we're going to get any cut back in obama care. it's already out there, in effect. so they're going for other t...

I don't like the tactics where senators like ted cruz or conservative groups get together and decide who's conservative enough and who isn't. and paul ryan's op-ed in the wall street journal was not heretical to ted cruz's plan. it wasn't a betrayal of it. as they point out, it didn't even mention obama care. it was simply discussing another objective that republicans and conservatives have put forward, and how to get there. and for ted cruz's defenders to come out and swat him down as a rhino is really unproductive, and frankly fairly childish. >> okay, s.e., chris, i'm going to get to you, b...