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How good is this economic comeback? let's get perspective. mark zandy, chief economist for moody's. grateful for your time today. the president calls this historic. and the president at the beginning of his remarks raised a point. he essentially is making the point that finally the american economy, the strength of the economy, has outwrestled covid. and the economy is now driving the show. is that true? >> i think that's a good point. yeah, i think the economy is on track doing well. you know, i think the broader message in today's jobs numbers was how resilient the economy is, creating about...

It's risky to lift mask retirements and what should the threshold be? >> i want to explain the difference between mask mandates and requirement. dr. walensky said it's still important to wear a mask if you're not feeling well or you're in a crowded place. even if there are not requirements, the recommendations stay the same. there's always a risk in the case that cases fell during the delta wave where with ohm crock, it was super high. you've seen states move on the direction to take them away. >> there's this idea that it's

Economic columnist for "the washington post." good to see you, heather. so the question to you is why was this so unexpected? because there was a huge margin between what was expected and what actually happened. >> that's exactly right, alex. a lot of people were expecting, including goldman sachs were forecasting a negative, that we would actually lose jobs in january. so when that number came out that said we added 467,000 jobs in january, there were gasps when it initially came, followed by some cheers. the reason that forecasters missed it so much, a big part of it is we were looking back ...

For just one hundred days i'm asking which turned into a year. but none of this ever matter did it for the elites in the well connected like gavin newsom at the french laundry and the obamas and the heat of the delta wave celebrating barack sixtieth with a blowout bash in the vineyard. no masks, no problem. these celebrity of hypocrites always had an explanation though, didn't they , for violating the rules of regular people still had to abide by a word about the entire game and people ask for a photograph. my i put it here and people could see this , but during this massive nightmare, the res...

Looking for that we've entered endemic phase, rather than being in a pandemic? >> well, i think the first thing we want to see is this omicron wave, don, go way down to the point where it was before it started. um, as the delta wave had really descended in the south. so, you know, we're -- we're only about halfway down, and it's unclear whether it'll get stuck there for a while just like it did in the uk. so, the first thing that has to happen is the omicron wave has to really descend down to the bottom. the second thing that has to happen is to make certain that this ba 2 variant, which is ca...