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I think he truly understands the need for jobs. we're trying to get everybody to look at the scale right now. remember what happened in japan. in the '90s, they would spend a little bit. when things got -- they got a few green shoots around the edge, they would stop spending. that went on for a whole decade. >> you saw the size of the deficit in his proposed budget. that kind of deficit environment, how do you get them to buy off on as large a program as you're talking? >> first of all, we don't have a short-term deficit problem in this country. we have a mid-term or long-term deficit problem ...

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And there are problems with refineries in the united states. problems seem to have gone away. they could come back. and now the gas prices going below $3 a gallon, that is back to december 2010. for each penny it goes down consumers get $1 billion that could really help the economy. >>shepard: and money we are not sending to people overseas. the price of oil was over $100 a barrel at one point. >>gerri: not anymore. we are way off. so, we had a dollar price increase today because of what is going on, but by and large the story has been down $79 a pair relative for dead, and what is going on --...