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I doubt. once the people of south korea understand they've been deprived of food in order to build the nuclear industry, i don't know how that's going to go down. that's kind of my point about that. but in addition to that, denuclearization doesn't mean the same thing to kim that it does to us. and i don't think we will or should give up our nuclear umbrella in asia which protects our allies. we still have some there. >> chris: what do you think if this doesn't go the way the president wants, what do you think of lindsey graham who really wanted to send a message today, one way or another, tha...

Understand that over 70 years tens of thousands have been in gulags and have been deprived of food, which is why they're three inches shorter of south koreans, in order to build the nuclear industry, so i don't know how that's going to go down. in addition to that, denuclearization doesn't mean the same thing to kim that it does to us. and i don't think we will or should give up our nuclear umbrella in asia which protects our allies. >> chris: what do you think if this doesn't go the way the president wants, what do you think of lindsey graham who really wanted to send a message today, one way...

Of the conversation and not just part but coming home? >> well, i knew this had been part of the discussion for a number of months now. you know, i think we have to take this in stride. kim jong un, the kim family have been master propagandists. they will do to get themselves attention around the world. the previous nuclear deals and the previous release efforts. so this is a good sign. is this the ultimate sign we will succeed? not yet. the president deserves great credit for setting the table for suck sus but what we have to -- success but what we have to see is that kim jong un recognizing,...