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Which are now dependency programs which people are continually dependent upon, and you take them into transitional programs to help people move out of poverty. speaker gingrich, on the issue of medicare, when you were on "meet the press" earlier this year, you had talked about what paul lang was talking about as a step too far, which is moving seniors on to a premium support or a voucher program, depending on how you phrase it. as you know, senator santorum thinks that current seniors should be moved of that program into premium support or a voucher program. do you agree with doing it that q...

Block rent them, and send it back to the states and require work and put a time limit. you do those three things, and we will help take those programs, which are now dependency programs, and you take them to transitional programs to help people move out of that you hapoverty. >> you talked about what paul ryan was talking about was a step too far, which was moving seniors on to a voucher program. senator santorum thinks current seniors should be moved off of the program into a voucher program, and do you agree with that? >> the fact is, the ryan bill which was introduced recently incorporates ...

If we want to solve the growing problem . we have to deal with it not in political gain but how single manager get a job and go to work and have a way of taking care of their family. >> more government spending. >> we also have to realize that corporate welfare is just as damaging. >> i don't think many people stand for corporate welfare. but steve, look at the percent of federal spending on the dependency programs. 28 percent in 62. and 48 percent in 1990 and now up to 70 percent. >> enormous climb. >> it is it an enormous climb . we are not on the tipping point. we'll go the way of grief. th...