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The cost of not educating those children are enormous. and that's what we're involved with in this country. we have to make the mechanism, in which a child can, if they don't have access to a quality school, to go somewhere else, to cross county lines or we'll see the types of devastations we're seeing throughout the country. >> take us back to brown versus board of education. which i know is a desegregation case, but ultimately, was itn't found that access to a quality education is a basic and constitutionally protected human right, which the court then would remedy if they fould it wasn't tr...

Why we have counties and parishes across the country saying we're going to have open enrollment counties is because they understand that if you have limited options in your county, you have to go somewhere else. the cost of not educating those children are enormous. and that's what we're involved with in this country. we have to make the mechanism, in which a child can, if they don't have access to a quality school, to go somewhere else, to cross county lines or we'll see the types of devastations we're seeing throughout the country. >> take us back to brown versus board of education. which i ...

Over the years, so rather than ending up using a scalpel to do this, piece by piece, now they've got to take it by an axe. >> i'm glad you moade that poin that so many students will have to be packed into other schools and classrooms will be overcrowded. people are saying no, poo this will fill up some classes that were half full in the first place. another point, i was shocked to read, less than a third of the elementary kids in this district were reading at grade level and the scores, the testing, these students have been underachieving, but money over the years hasn't necessarily been the p...

City, what happened? >> no some cases or many cases people left the urban core and went to the suburbs. in 1995 the united states supreme court reversed or -- a desegregation case which led to the loss of approximately 8,000 students. and then in 1995 the missouri state legislature allowed for charter schools. >> right. >> and then in addition to that, in 2007 some of our schools were annexed by a neighboring school district. the independent school district, where we lost additional students. >> what does this mean, the decision you made, which a lot of people are upset about. what does it rea...

Worked to make education a priority by improving the schools and you were integrating your districts. this resulted in olympic-size swimming pool, a recording studio, a lot of kree yay ti things you put together for the students. do you think maybe the district was a little too aggressive on its spending and now the students are suffering? >> well, that happened almost 15 to 20 years ago, i guess, as a result of the desegregation case. schools were given, you know, olympic-sized swimming pools, recording studios in an attempt to recruit students back from the suburbs, back to the urban core. a...