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Notion of a deep state and trump's assertion that it exists. >> i don't believe there's a deep state at the state department. >> that's your experience also when you interact with colleagues at the fbi and department of justice as well? >> yes. there are always exceptions to every rule. i've never led an organization that didn't have bad actors. >> so phil, sounds like he's refuting the president's allegation. so do you think that's going to change the president's twitter feed? >> no. but i mean, we've been at this for months. let me give you the deep state. senator burris, the head of the sen...

Intentions vis-a-vis the united states in a negotiation about their nuclear weapons? you want the whole pizza pie. in this case in the russia investigation i want an informant. i don't need to know about plans and intentions related to the campaign. i don't need to know about what donald trump thinks about hillary clinton. there's a tiny slice of the pie i need to know. that is we have information that people involved in the campaign think george papadopoulos had advance information about stolen e-mails from the democrats. i want to understand from an informant whether people are talking about...

Facts matter, the fbi's use of human sours, the term is tightly regulated and essential to protecting the country. attacks on the fbi and lying about its work will do lasting damage to our country. how will republicans explain this to their grandchildren. so, how the fbi uses confidential human sources and how this is different from spying. >> let me explain the difference as you're talking about, don, between a spy and an informant. the president is confusing like santa claus and frosty the snowman. i mean, they both live in the same place, but they're not the same person. let's talk about a ...

We have to act that way otherwise we'll end up in the minority. >> really quickly, don, the one thing that jumps out at me when hearing this tirade from president trump, he doesn't seem to have an awareness he is the head of the state, he is the president, all these people report for him, that he is tearing down the fbi, tearing down the department of justice. he is supposed to be the person bhos their boss and he doesn't care about the cost of defending himself which is diminishing public confident in law enforcement which is going to make their job much tougher. he's making this country less...

He's way ahead of those schedules. i've got to run. everyone should not get too ahead or forward on these skis? >> no we just getting to going. there's plenty more. >> it's amazing when the president says there's no collusion have been shown anything. we are in the second inning of a long baseball. >> we always say here on cnn, there could be nothing but we don't know because the investigation is still ongoing. >> and the good men and women conducting that investigation deserve to be able to do their job. when we come back our breaking news, congressional gang of eight invited to hear info...