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So they're really hitting people's cousins and ungs cles and brothers and sister across the board demographically, white and black, every conceivable walk of life. i think it's stupid. >> one of the -- i think there's a divide, in political science. and some people think that -- in political science think that politics matter. and some people think that politics is sort of a show we put on, like a circus for the entertainment of the population. sort of a way we get our ya yas out about the culture war. but the thing that determines the elections is the unemployment rate. the number of people u...

>> one of the -- i think there's a divide, in political science. and some people think that -- in political science think that politics matter. and some people think that politics is sort of a show we put on, like a circus for the entertainment of the population. sort of a way we get our ya yas out about the culture war. but the thing that determines the elections is the unemployment rate. the number of people unemployed determines whether or not the party in power stays in power. >> i tend to feel that's the case, but if you have politics that are really nutty and a party that moves as for a ...

>> i can't -- i don't have enough information, andrea. they on their own words have said, look, they raised the issue but both the british and the scottish governments said that wasn't in any way a contributing or certainly not a determinative factor. the problem is i don't know how you put the genie back in the bottle. i think that this should be an object lesson for any country that, you know, when people have been convicted of such horrific crimes as the lockerbie bombing was for pan am flight 103 with all those young people, many of whom i had a connection to because i represented new york...