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Another point was made in an op-ed in be "washington post" by steven stromberg: the bush defense is getting less effective, around 2008, anger at bush was so deep and widespread his mere mention would short circuit unpleasant conversations that now, rightly or wrongly, most have moved on and it only works on liberals. but, you know what, erin maybe that is the point, maybe the "blame bush" strategy will excite the liberal base to get out the vote in the midterm which democrats desperately need and maybe that is the real strategy. >> is that the strategy? and if it plays out, it doesn't hurt de...

Editor of "roll call" aerin billings, the president obama stump speech, repeatedly blames his predecessor for all of our woes. and given though fact that it has been almost two years since president obama was elected, is that an effective strategy, or, is it so tired that it is counterproductive? >> well, frankly, it may be the only strategy that democrats have this cycle. i mean, it sounds a lot like 2008, as we all know, but, i mean, democrats are not running on health care reform, they cannot run on having turned the economy around because it has not turned around yet and they have to prese...

This point. martha: talk about this shelter, steve, where the miners are, 2,000 feet down and what kind of communications are they having between the rescuers and the miners at this point? >> reporter: they did make it safely to the shelter, all 33 of them and it took 8 tries to try and find the shelter with the drill bet and apparently there are complaints about the company and, a larger hole will have to be drilled, 27 inches in diameter and it could take up to four months and they'll pull them out one at a time and, right now they have been exchanging notes tried to the drill bit on the way...