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His brand of conservatism versus this dying breed that is kind of in a death rattle right now. i think the question is how many republicans follow suit. i kind of disagree that this is actually a breaking of the ice if you're talking about the senate being the ice block because you saw in the same day the standing ovation for trump. i think a lot of these senators smell the scent of tax cuts. you're not going to see a mass movement until -- unless that experiment is completed, which probably won't happen until the end of this year, early next year. >> wow. so, philip, heidi just used the words...

This dying breed that is kind of in a death rattle right now. i think the question is how many republicans follow suit. i kind of disagree that this is actually a breaking of the ice if you're talking about the senate being the ice block because you saw in the same day the standing ovation for trump. i think a lot of these senators smell the scent of tax cuts. you're not going to see a mass movement until and unless that experiment is completed, which probably won't happen until the end of this year, early next year. >> wow. so, philip, heidi just used the words "dying breed." here's senator f...