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Invidious basis. and i think you've got a track record of thousands of television appearances, hundreds of congressional testimony, a virtual wall of public record as long as your arm of this organization that would bear out those issues. >> let's talk about -- >> you know -- we're extremely fair minded organization. we certainly never had anything to do with virginia abernathy. i don't know where you got the idea we worked closely with her. we never have. >> on that point, sir, did you not give her organization hundreds of thousands of dollars for the prop 200 race? >> first of all we never g...

Population policy, dick lamb, sharon barns, people working with planned parenthood, others, sydney swinsroot, all got together said we need a responsible organization to ensure that immigration doesn't fuel too rapid population growth. there was a time when it was believed that population stabilization was in the national interest and there were democrats and republicans together on this, after the commission, people like father he hessber, the naacp to bring together a compromise. what's happening in this debate is there's a polarization taking place where somehow this idea that democrats don...