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There's going to be money going somewhere. if that's coupled with smart legislation, with better training, with more regulations, does that work? >> here is the problem. this is what i point out in my piece. you make an interesting distinction. smart legislation. the fact that we refuse -- by law, refuse to allow the collection of data and to fund the study of gun violence in america like we do every other health crisis in america means we can never really produce smart legislation. we are doing it in an information vacuum. >> let me ask you, because this goes back to the dickey amendment of 1...

It looks like, at least the secretary of health and human services, alec cesar, looks like he's willing. he was in a hearing last week to look at the issue. put some money toward it. even the person, it's called the dickey amendment, former congressman dickey's thinking i didn't mean for this to actually happen over 25 years. i am okay with having research done. might be a small thing but if you are wanting to make decisions based on research, then there might be a way forward. >> juan: do you know why that is? it's because of the power of the dollar from the nra that has shut that down and ma...

And protect gun rights. it's not as the nra leadership would have us believe either/or. we can find things that do both. these are problems that we've dealt with in other areas. in cancer, for example, we have to find chemotherapies that will both kill the tumor but keep the person's vital organs alive. >> but mark when you have funding at the cdc cut back in 1996 and not restored and not able to do research as you talk about, and they're not able to do research on gun violence, how can we have the information? how can we be armed with the information to have this type of conversation? >> we c...

Legislation. cdc was not in the business of lobbying for gun control legislation. they were in the busins of ing research to find out what would work, what would be effective to prevent gun violence a they can restart that again. in fact, the dickey amendment will give cover to those people who don't want cdc lobbying for gun control legislation. >> mark, let me, since we've had an absence -- >> they have money to do research it will be used for research. >> what do you think has been the impact of this research? >> i think the impact has been that kids have been slaughtered in schools. we've ...

Lauderdale. >> what about the law in america called the dickey amendment. it prevents government agencies like the cdc from even researching statistics on guns violence. certainly the nra was in support of that. shouldn't that be repealed? is the gun lobby that powerful in washington? >> well, that's a whole separate study of how paufpl they lobby in washington. i'm fighting the oil right now and i feel like david and goliath. i don't know what this law is. i'm have to look into it. >> is there a reason that you can think of why any private citizen needs to own an ar-15 assault rifle? >> to be...