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Light of it. >> what he seems to be saying is yeah, we may have agreed to talk turkey, we may have agreed to talk dirt on hillary, we may have been helping them generally, but we didn't have anything to do with the hacking. what kind of defense is that? >> that is a very slim to none defense. that is the kind of defense that would be laughed out of a courtroom. i just want to add one more point. all this talk about a second meeting is truly damning because if you take donald trump jr.'s testimony before the judiciary committee essentially, this contradicts him. it could lead him to be in dange...

Their business. we wouldn't be having any fun. but this meeting is consuming so much oxygen and we are not sure what it adds up to in the end. >> one day we will. one day five years from now we'll be sitting in a bar going, remember when we were trying to figure out what was going on in that trump tower meeting? >> the question we all keep asking ourselves every time we hear a new revelation in the mueller investigation -- is any of this illegal? danny, i want to play for you what rudy giuliani said this morning about collusion with russians maybe not being a crime. let's play that. >> they're...

Jr. responds. already does that today, it's amazing what she can get away with. >> this exchange shows this was a two-way exchange. two-way street. >> what you're seeing here is, this repeated effort by russians and/or their agents to reach out to officials from the trump campaign and try to put out dirt and damaging material on hillary clinton. >> so the president -- year a friend of vladimir putin, he just met with him. he believed him when he said putin didn't hack the u.s. election. he's since back pedaled on that he did imply that he is not on board with imposing new sanctions on russia w...

Defense of donald trump, very often presidents blame their predecessors. he's actually blaming his opponent, which is a little more unusual. but franklin roosevelt attacked herbert hoover for 12 years. we do tend to do that. >> president obama went after george w. bush for -- >> and this president attacks -- by the way, i don't think that's so terrible. he's going to try to drag hillary into it. that's not a -- as a hillary supporter, that's not a concern that i have. it's more this -- it's kristen saying, a red dress is yellow. there's a monty python sketch where graham chapman says there is ...