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Anything. they would rather sit in traffic like we are looking at now than go on the plane. am i wrong? >> well, it's miserable and demoralizing to fly. first off, you know, the movie where denzel washington was crashing the plane probably didn't help. >> bill: flight people. i didn't see that was that a good movie? >> yeah. it was probably -- pretty solid. it definitely makes you want to get in a minivan and drive to kansas. >> bill: or even hitchhike to kansas. denzel was drunk and on cocaine while he was flying the plane. >> they fly themselves. the point is this. and i give him a cultural ...

Anything. they would rather sit in traffic like we are looking at now than go on the plane. am i wrong? >> well, it's miserable and demoralizing to fly. first off, you know, the movie where denzel washington was crashing the plane probably didn't help. >> bill: flight people. i didn't see that was that a good movie? >> yeah. it was probably -- pretty solid. it definitely makes you want to get in a minivan and drive to kansas. >> bill: or even hitchhike to kansas. denzel was drunk and on cocaine while he was flying the plane. >> they fly themselves. the point is this. and i give him a cultural ...

They would rather sit in traffic like we are looking at now than go on the plane. am i wrong? >> well, it's miserable and demoralizing to fly. first off, you know, the movie where denzel washington was crashing the plane probably didn't help. >> bill: flight people. i didn't see that was that a good movie? >> yeah. it was probably -- pretty solid. it definitely makes you want to get in a minivan and drive to kansas. >> bill: or even hitchhike to kansas. denzel was drunk and on cocaine while he was flying the plane. >> they fly themselves. the point is this. and i give him a cultural pass for t...

Spending. deficits. debt. obama care. energy. all that just got wiped off the page for four or five days and that had the effect of getting everybody's mind off the election. that started over here in the last day or so. >> that is the funny thing about momentum. i'm sure you experience this, governor. one day you have it and the other day you don't but you can get it back. how lasting do you think the effect it on the romney campaign? >> nothing obama did broke romney's momentum. all the way through october obama would attack and attack and be very condescending. didn't help. in fact, it may ...

Each other's kids and in each other's faces in a way you don't see very often t was a personality clash out there. bill: first 15 minutes was absolute must-see tv. epic battle of men at highest point of political careers. i think both missed opportunities. martha: yes. bill: toward the end whole question immigration. president went first. governor romney any said youed senate, white house you could have done it then because you had the votes. louisiana governor bobby jindal talking about romney and him taking on the president's record for this. >> you could combine the speaking skills of ronal...