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Following this. joining me is a friend of the victim who delivered the eulogy at alexander's funeral from denver. travis, thanks for being with us. >> good evening, judge pirro. nice to be with you. >> judge jeanine: tell us what the victim in this case. what was he like and how did you know him? >> travis i think we could describe him as a motivational speaker. if you can think about having a motivational speaker maybe in your close knit group of friends that would be an appropriate way to describe the relationship i had with him. a person who didn't take a break from being a motivator and in...

It. she uses her beauty and seductiveness to get away with a lot. >> judge jeanine: how come she doesn't have a history? >> maybe it never got to this extreme right now? >> mark fuhrman, what would you be looking for right now in her history to prove that she does stuff like this? mark fuhrman? >> oh, i'm sorry, judge. >> i'll answer. >> judge jeanine: what is it in her history? what would you be looking for? >> well, you don't even have to look for -- what you are looking for in the history. if you are going to claim self-defense people that are victims in a self-defense situation don't bring...

>> did you meet jody aryas? >> very infrequently. one or two times. specifically after travis' death when she was coming to the memorial service and groups of his friends were gathering together before the police had identified her. >> judge jeanine: what was your impression of her, aaron? >> it was at the time the police said they didn't have a person of interest and they had spoken with her. >> judge jeanine: what did you think of her? >> i was confused. i was confused. i guess i didn't really know her very well and when i talked to her i didn't get a feeling about whether she was involved o...

>> did you meet jody aryas? >> very infrequently. one or two times. specifically after travis' death when she was coming to the memorial service and groups of his friends were gathering together before the police had identified her. >> judge jeanine: what was your impression of her, aaron? >> it was at the time the police said they didn't have a person of interest and they had spoken with her. >> judge jeanine: what did you think of her? >> i was confused. i was confused. i guess i didn't really know her very well and when i talked to her i didn't get a feeling about whether she was involved o...

How is it that a woman who looks so petite can take down a guy as big as he was, 27 times, slit his throat. in how does that happen, mark fuhrman? >> judge, i think that the fact that he s in the shower and she is not. she armed herself and i believe the gun shot was probably the first weapon that she used and when didn't succumb to the gun shot she went to the knife and then that was definitely overkill because he kept fighting back and he was fighting her for the knife. i believe that is how it went down but i didn't have the opportunity to see. >> judge jeanine: dr. baden you are the pathol...